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Joyce

I'm totally defective! Thank God! If I were not broken, there would be no room for God to work in me and through me. If there is no sickness, there can be no healing.

So if the Church (the Body of Believers, regardless of their denomination or lack of one) remains broken and defective, it serves to keep us humble, focused on our need for God, and makes the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross more precious than ever.

cj

I just picked up an old text book from Goodwill that was written for a Catholic school. In it is this conversation between an Uncle and his niece and nephew, their discussing the beginning of our nation. The Uncle pointed to the Holy Land and said this is where Our Lord started His Church. And the nephew’s response is: “That was the Catholic Church.” The Uncle says “Yes. The Catholic Church is the ““One True Church”” that was founded by God Himself.”
HMMMMMMMMMMMM! Is it still a belief in the Catholic Church that unless you are a member of the Catholic Church then you are not a true follower of Christ?

janet

I'm so thankful to be a part of THE CHURCH. One severely defective girl saved by grace. Oh excuse me a moment...Yaaaawn...those yawns are contagious you know.
Joe, you can't imagine how God used your words of teaching to minister to me yesterday. Thanks for doing your thang.

cj


I ditto Janet's message to you ,Joe. What a channel of God's truth and love you are!
Thanks!

christa

So, does the Pope need to be reminded of the scriptures???
Please, allow me...
James 4:6-12:
"But He gives a greater grace. Therefore {it} says, "GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE." 
Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 
Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom.
Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you.
Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge {of it.}
There is {only} one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?"
Also,
"Brethren, my heart's desire and my prayer to God for them is for {their} salvation.
For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down),
or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)."
But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same {Lord} is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.""
-Rom. 10:1-13
So, from what GOD says...I AM saved and that is ALL I care about...what can a mere man do to me when God is for me... who can be against!!!!

Lynne Hasuly

Thanks for the post, Joe. I know of a woman who was excommunicated because she married a protestant. It took the death of the priest who initiated the action(a changing of the guard)to reverse the action. What an example of exclusion! I cannot help but think the benefactor behind this divisive position is Satan himself.

cj

Wow- we all need to be reminded of the scriptures;you go, sister!! That was a lot to go chew on-so I think I'll go do that,Thanks!

Joyce

What's interesting is the original meaning of the word "catholic":

c.1350:
"of the doctrines of the ancient Church," lit. "universally accepted," from L.L. catholicus "universal, general," from Gk. katholikos, from phrase kath' holou, from kata "about" + gen. of holos "whole".

That sounds pretty inclusive! Nice!

But then it changed after the Reformation in 1544 to pertain ONLY to the Church in Rome (ie: the Roman Catholic Church).

This is nothing new. All Catholics have recited the Nicene Creed saying "We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church." However, since the Creed was written in 381, I would have to believe that the original definition of "catholic" (whole, universal) is what was meant and not the church in Rome.

I'd be interested to know how it made the jump from inclusive to exclusive.

Interesting.



jp

WoW! Interesting comment and great insight! Obviously it's a pretty hot issue... As to 'catholic" being universal since the 4th century, I've alluded to that often saying something like, "I'm a fundamantalist because I believe in teh fundamantals. I'm an evangelical because I believe in spreading teh message that changes lives. I'm a Pentecostal because I believe in teh power that God poured upon His church for all generations. I'm a Catholic because I believe in the universal church. I say it somewhat tongue in cheek, but also I'm pretty serious about it. So, yea, the universal church!

jp

Here's an interesting take on the "one true church issue"
http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/pritchard/11548425/

Here's the pope's document

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html

jp

Jon Trott

Joe, that was an awfully nice post. I loved that "but he was once a boy" thing... HA. So was I. Am still, actually, though too often I forget it. Bless you... I should be in bed now (it is nearly 1 am here in Chi-town). So signing off, but with a warm fuzzy in my heart for ya, buddy.

Jon

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